Poll: Is George W. Bush not getting enough credit, or too much credit for Bin Laden's death?
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The only thing Bush did was to get us into two wars that were not paid for. He get's credit for nothing!
Such a classy reply. Must be that you are one of those Republican without any intergrity and lacking in vocabulary rich enough to put forth a reply, with bite, without sounding like trailer trash.
Bush let Bin Laden go and did not look for him at all
"I don't know where he is. I really don't spend that much time on, to be honest with you" George Bush.
TOP you are giving enough head for everybody...But that's what Tea Baggers do...Vag
Tired - at least I have the guts to put my name on my post. I don't hide like you do! Why don't you just go back and watch your hero's on Fox like Beck and Hannity!
Tora Bora mean anything to you "Pussy"? Isn't Bush and Pussy the same thing? Obama does more before breakfast every day than Bush did in 8 years. Unless you count starting wars and clearing brush on his ranch.
You should all be working for the media, using the typical spin tool of taking one snippet from a speech and using it out of context to make somebody look bad. If you read the whole speech ( # ) instead of a tiny quote somebody posted, you would see that what he was saying is that he is primarily focused on the broader goal of stamping out the Taliban, entire terror networks and their support bases and bringing stability to the region. He also said this will take years and will not happen over night. Our intelligence services never stopped looking for Bin Laden, this victory was the culmination of a search started 9 1/2 years ago by W. Yes, Obama deserves credit for saying "yes, go get him", but that's it. The intelligence operatives, interrogators, analysts and troops on the ground deserve 98% of the credit. I give Bush and Obama 1% each for using the word "go." As for Iraq, if anybody here can make a case for why Saddam and his psychotic sons should not be rotting in hell, or why the world is not a better place without them, I'd like to hear it.
A-Men! MDWO1 W is day dreaming if he thinks he deserves credit! Give me a break!!
Makes me laught to even hear of this foolish talk by W and two of his three friends!
Tired of pussies banned, first post namecalling. Everyone who bit, see this part of the first rule:
Do not forget he also tanked the economy by giving tax cuts to his wealthy friends.
Neither Bush or Obama deserve credit. The ones who deserve the credit are those who put thier asses on the line. All either of them did was sit in an office and drool on themselves.
Just a few points about the Bush era on bin Laden:
1) Did any of you know that Bush has ties with the bin Laden family through the Carlyle Group? ( http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/09_18_01_bushbin.html)
2)Did you know Bush didn't care where bin Laden was on 3/13/02. ( http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/11/13_Laden.html) Just 7 months after Osama bin Laden brought down the Twin Towers, hitting the Pentagon and the other lives lost in flight 93 in PA. Yeah, Dubya really wanted to find bin Laden.
Just theses facts alone indicate Geo. W. Bush didn't really want to find Osama bin Laden at the request of Osama bin Ladens' family. I know this is just a theory, but the numbers just don't add up. 7 years of GW and no bin Laden. 21/2 years of President Obama, and "We Got Him!". Hmm...is this an Arsenio Hall moment?
I just can't see where GW had any interest in finding bin Laden. He being from an oil family along with his VP Cheney, there interest lies in lining their pockets with more, lets say "Conflict Oil".
Personally, George W. Bush was Cheneys' puppet. Bushs' inarticulate manner and speaking, you just can feel comfortable with what he says. Fumbling his words and looking like a "deer in the headlights".
In closing, how can Bush accept any credit for capturing Osama bin Laden? HE CAN'T!!! And all the right-wing pundits who want the pictures shown as proof, are idiots in their own right. Not only, and this may sound wrong but think about it, disrespects the body of a dead man. It would be more inflammatory to Muslims and would cause even more unrest in our efforts to squelch Al-Qaeda. Which increasing uprisings have already begun.
Finally, Osama bin Laden is DEAD!! GO ED!!!!
Yea, you go Ed...like Keith Obaerman did. AKTazz, both those "Facts" you are mentioning have been discussed, you are too late to the party.
"I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you." - George Bush at a press conference
Enough said.
ChrisCat: Do you know what a dictator is? Sole proprietorship, i.e., no one but one man in charge, i.e., Saddam Hussein had no one else ruling, no other political party in Iraq. Bushcheneyrumsfeld took care of that. They were poster boys for enlistments in AlQuaida. Good job they did too. That wasn't enough, they were above the law and "orders came from the top" to use TORTURE to satisfy their sick thirst for power. No good info came out of their use of torture, except a deeper hatred and distrust of the U.S. The picture of that 'chick' from WV, cigarette dangling like a toughie, holding a rifle, with her foot on a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners - perfect repub/tparty type. Too bad for the child she brought into her world. Important that we vote Democratic on all elections, for continued moral and economic growth, Democratic!!
Earthgirl, You are talking about Lynndie England......www(dot)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynndie_England , How do you know she is a "Republican"? Did Chris mathews tell you? Maybe it was Ed? I think you may be grasping at straws hoping your "useful Idot" (look it up) friends here will give you a pat on the back...just maybe?
You best believe the Republican would not be lining up to transfer credit to George Bush if the mission failed. President Obama was calling the shots, and made a series of complicated decisions that lead to Osama capture. President Obama and the special forces deserves the Credit. End of story!
I think You are the best show on T,V I am one of the proud American's that loves what my leader did for my country. Long live our free Country. Jane
Marvin God Bless you! I think we should all just take a few moments and think back of 9/11 what we all felt that day. For that day modern America felt fear, we then hugged our loved ones tighter and longer and under our breath we thanked god we were still alive....God Bless the USA! Instead of fighting over a photo or credit which we all no Bush does not deserve, give credit to the brave Navy Seals and the President and his team.
like i said before the only killing they get credit is almost killing this country period end of story.
Why not make it official and change the call letters MSNBC like Oprah Winfrey did vy cganging her call letters to "OWN" Lets just call MSNBC since they are so biased and partial to the call letters of "OBAMA" cable station.
Just an example like Chris Matthews comments:
Last night during MSNBC's Potomac Primary coverage, Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann were discussing Barack Obama's speech. Matthews — who, in the past, has both cried over an Obama speech and compared him to Jesus — described exactly what happens to him when Obama speaks:
I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.
So who should Fox change their name for? Palin? Bush? Trump??
Why not just go watch Fox where they don't "report" anything--they spin it all and always against the President, the Democrats and "liberals". You're on the wrong site.
Umm... yes, opinions are known to be a part of opinion programming. The thing about MSNBC is that their audience can be very critical, demanding accuracy, and won't tolerate deliberate misinformation from the left any more than they would from the right. They demand facts, and verification of those facts, and verifications of the verifications! Those inclined to watch FOX, etc., are (generally speaking) only looking for confirmations of their chosen ideology.
Bush et al ignored the warnings Clinton gave them about bin Laden before he actually took office. Then they ignored the warnings the intelligence agencies gave them about a pending attack of airplanes into buildings. Then they took their eyes off Afghanistan and attacked Iraq under false pretenses. Then they wouldn't give the OK to go after him in Tora Bora. Then they dismanteled the CIA group that was supposed to be looking for bin Laden. Then Bush himself goes on and announces he is not all that worried about him and frankly it wasn't very high on his priority list. Now just what did Bush do to earn any credit whatsoever for his demise?
I guess that you think Fox Network has fair and equal reporting! Glenn Beck must be your hero and you must believe everything he says! MSNBC has fair reporting! Check out Morning Joe for the Republican side of the issues! Who on the Fox Network stands for the Democrats? You should know what your talking about before you open your mouth and speak!
It only took Bush eight years to get Osama Bin Laden and guess what he missed the opportunity. We Americans know that the OLD,OLD right wingers will never accept the truth.
NO CREDIT AT ALL!!!!! He didn't do CRAP!! He even said he wasn't really looking for him! OMGOSH!!!! The only credit he gets is being THE WORST PRESIDENT AT ALL!!
PJDavis-3310101
NO CREDIT AT ALL!!!!! He didn't do CRAP!! He even said he wasn't really looking for him! OMGOSH!!!! The only credit he gets is being THE WORST PRESIDENT AT ALL!!
So Robert Gates, General Petreaus, Joints Chief Of Staff Mike Mullen, Robert Gates, and Leon Panetta among many others are in Obamas administration as well as hhhmmm George Bushes administration
Hats of the everyone involved from Obama down to the intelligence as well as the navy seals but for some in this chat room, too think that George Bush should receive absolutely no credit whatsoever is but naive as well as ignorant
Why is everything on MSNBC turned into a Bush vs Obama, Republican vs Democrat, why at least can't it be seen at as just an American resolution from both sides???
that must be why MSNBC has such low ratings because eventually it eats their own
Politicalwatcher, are you implying that Fox isn't biased or something? haha!
Politicalwatcher, I would've given Pres. Bush credit if he had stuck it out in Afghanistan and fervently pursued OBL instead of going into Iraq for an ill-conceived reason, but the fact is he didn't.
@politcalwatcher
Shut the hell up and go take a long walk on a short pier, you @!$%#! Bush was full of @!$%# AND SO ARE YOU!
DScully-2892243
@politcalwatcher
"Shut the hell up and go take a long walk on a short pier, you @!$%#! Bush was full of @!$%# AND SO ARE YOU!"
Your fellow MSNBC viewers must find your enlightening comments so so endearing
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wow another enlightened MSNBC viewer so amny so little time to point them all out
Jim McGuiness
Bush deserves my dick.
@politcalwatcher
Shut the hell up and go take a long walk on a short pier, you @!$%#! Bush was full of CRAP AND SO ARE YOU!
Politcalwatcher. why don't u watch a show u enjoy instead of insulting those of us that do enjoy watching Ed.
Fox sounds like might be the side u are on. Don't they have enough right sided political shows for u? Maybe it's just because Ed has a place u can voice your own views and Fox doesn't.
Bush deserves not an ounce of credit for finding and killing OBL. Get off this page
D Scully: A couple days late but, I look forward to your posts. Thank you.
Bush was the weapon of mass destruction.
sir:
right on: brother!
by the way -- i am a white obamamaniac & die hard democrat:
and i am damn proud of those facts!
sincerely: kca
Jr Bush and his BOSS Cheney were Weapons of Mass Deception.
I was so disgusted when he was re-elected for another 4 years!
He wasn't RE-ELECTED. He was appointed by the Supreme Court. His presidency needs to be marked with an asterisk. Al Gore was the elected President.
You don't understand our Constitution and how the Electoral College works. The states, not citizens, elect the President of the United States of America.
When I found out he was going into office for another 4 yrs, I already knew that GWB was going to screw the country even more without the vasoline.
Repubs are full of tricks. Watch out they are planning a trick for 2012, we've got to keep our guard up with them boys.
You are so right Cindy__S. That's true the real President should have been Al Gore. What a mess!
Bush didn't win, he was given the presidency IN BOTH elections.
Mike, if the recount had been allowed to finish, Al Gore would have carried the state of Florida, and won the election. The Supreme Court ordered the recount stopped while Bush was in the lead. That is how Bush got to be president. Know your facts please.
The Supreme Court made a call that didn't happen to go in your favor. Suck it up and move on vs. whining about it forever. You sound like a 'birther'... LOL!
The supreme court with it's conservative majority stopped a legal process when the numbers were in favor of the person who did not actually have the votes to carry the state. That is not making a call that 'didn't happen to' anything, that is the supreme court intervening to prevent a legal process from giving a win to the actual winner. Try looking for the truth. The supreme court was guilty of election tampering, and conservatives should be ashamed of it. Instead conservatives embrace the cheating, and turn around pointing the finger at liberals screaming voter fraud when a few votes may be against the Republican candidate.
In Minnesotathere was recently an election where there was a recount. In the recount there were numerous charges of voter fraud involving felons. When the recount and investigations were finished the final tally reported by the Republican controlled board was something like 312 votes in favor of the Democratic candidate. In the investigation of the charges of felons illegally registering and voting it was found that most of the charges were people legally registering and voting, but having the same name as convicted felons. Of the few who remained only 6 of them actually voted. If Republicans scream and holler voter fraud about an incident where the result was not changed by the attempt, just why shouldn't Democrats talk about the election fraud that the Republicans committed in 2000 as a reminder?
In other words, don't tell us to suck it up about an election that was stolen, and then scream bloody murder about the actions of a few that are not even enough to change an election as close as 312 votes.
How sad it is that MSNBC and ED Schulz have spent the last 15 minutes are an "unnamed source" Is there any question why MSNBC rating are 4th behind Fox,Cbs, Abc????
I know I am not supposed to poke the troll, but why exactly are you here? Your comments have little to do with the discourse, and seem to only promote Fox News. Why not just go there? Unless it has to do with cutting and pasting comments you made last night...
amboss
I do watch MSNBC Its always important to gather information from all sources How many will readily admit they watch fox and others to gather their opinions???
Ambboss & Glen:
What do you think of this comment by an indpendent and unbaised and impartial MSNBC commentator with his own show!!!!
Last night during MSNBC's Potomac Primary coverage, Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann were discussing Barack Obama's speech. Matthews — who, in the past, has both cried over an Obama speech and compared him to Jesus — described exactly what happens to him when Obama speaks:
I have to tell you, you know, it's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.
I will be waiting for your responses if can come up with one without personally attacking someone with some opinions different then yours
Again, saying the same thing over and over and just changing the persons you are addressing is really useless.
looks like Politicawatc tunes in daily to the Ed show and probably Rachel, Lawrence and Chris Matthews too. He knows the place for REAL POLITICAL NEWS IS
MSNBC
Toyota3, I watch all of those shows too now. I couldn't resist finding out why most people here are clueless. Now I know. You let people walk into your living room,spew off at the mouth and believe every word without question, then you come here and pat each other on the back about how much you think you know.
Unbelievable. You are an idiot. All you want to focus on is credit? Who cares. Blame Blame Blame. No wonder this country is screwed up.
Yes I agree 21 years US Army Ret Vet Ft Hood Tx the Country is screwed up thank the Republicans for That Damn Gas Hogs well lets see all the red states Voted for them and now Crying Hell Republicans can't handle the truth. fact Credit What Credit Just like Fox New All lies there u go and yes i agree it's all about the President Race Fact Have a nice Day Bring the men and women Home now Mr President Mission accomplished
I must agree with u KingD. I was in the Navy during Vietnam and we need to bring our people back home where they belong.
Bush deserves my dick.
Jim, so you're a faggot that wants a dude on your dick? LOL! I know you Progressive Democrats support the gay community, but isn't there something called, "Don't ask, don't tell" that Clinton passed for people like you. LOL!! It's amazing to read all the 'gay' comments from the guys on these forums when someone disagrees with you.. must be a far left "thing" - such sensitivity... Hahaha!
Jim, so you're a faggot that wants a dude on your dick?
13 is pretty crass. It doesn't contribute much. But it's not a CoH violation, Mike-22030. The above is.
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Thank you Ed for reminding us of the phony that GWB truly was and is!
Remeber when bush let the bin ladens out of the country after 9-11,was the son killed in pakistan the one,,,,,,,that left this country after 9-11
the sparrow
Remeber when bush let the bin ladens out of the country after 9-11,was the son killed in pakistan the one,,,,,,,that left this country after 9-11
please tell me what Bill Clinton did after the SS Cole was attacked, our embassies were bombed and the World Trade Center was BOMBED for the first time under the Clinton Administration??
What did Bill Clinton do after some of our military was stripped naked and rode behind jeeps in the streets??
Are you also angry at Bill Clinton the sparrow???
Maybe if Clinton did his job instead of getting one we might not have had a second attack on the World Trade Center, since Bill Clinton did have opportunities to get Osama Bin Laden!!!
So Robert Gates, General Petreaus, Joints Chief Of Staff Mike Mullen, Robert Gates, and Leon Panetta among many others are in Obamas administration as well as hhhmmm George Bushes administration
Hats of the everyone involved from Obama down to the intelligence as well as the navy seals but for some in this chat room, too think that George Bush should receive absolutely no credit whatsoever is but naive as well as ignorant
Why is everything on MSNBC turned into a Bush vs Obama, Republican vs Democrat, why at least can't it be seen at as just an American resolution from both sides???
well done politicalwatcher i was in the unit that hunted UBL in Tora Bora and it wasnt Bush that held us back it was the policies Clinton enacted that restricted us
Maybe if Clinton did his job instead of getting one we might not have had a second attack on the World Trade Center, since Bill Clinton did have opportunities to get Osama Bin Laden!!!
Well political watcher, maybe if Reagan and his administration had not funneled money to Bin Laden and the Mujahadeen when they were fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980's, Bin Laden would have continued to be tied down by that war, and not been free to set up training camps for Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, to launch attacks against the US. Republicans have such short, selective memories - they can only remember back to what Bill Clinton did or didn't do.
@politcalwatcher
Shut the hell up and go take a long walk on a short pier, you @!$%#! Bush was full of @!$%# AND SO ARE YOU!
political watcher-
Since you want someone to tell you, I will.
Clinton launched 2 cruise missiles at Bin Laden. The entire Republican Party screamed "No war for Monica!" and said he did it just to distract Americans from Monica Lewinsky. They prevented him from taking any further action, because they couldn't have cared less about Bin Laden. All they cared about was making Clinton look bad.
The Republican Party is responsible for stopping Clinton from going after Bin Laden. Just like they're responsible for letting him get away at Tora Bora.
Dear spin doctor,
Funny how you bring up the debunked conservative talking point about how Clinton did not go after OBL. OBL was not wanted by the US Government until after 9/11, which you know very well GW dropped the ball on by telling the person who gave him the warning about OBL making plans to attack by saying "you covered your butt now go away". Funny how you conservatives actually think lies become fact if it is repeated often enough, but sorry facts are facts and conservative lies will be nothing more then conservative lies. Now go collect your posting fee from the Koch brothers and let the grown ups talk, thank you very much for reminding us why this country is in an economic mess, conservatives who can't get over themselves for failed policies no matter how many times their policies fail. By the way what is it with you conservatives who keep thinking that failed businessmen will make good public servants? There is a reason why they go into politics, its because they can't run a business.
whom it may concern
Bill Clinton tried to take out OBL with missles fired from submarines into Sudan. They failed to hit him but at least Clinton tried. Bush was warned by numerous countries and intell people in advance of 9/ll. He ignored it. Three months after 9/11, the military located OBL in Tora Bora and asked for approval to catch him but Rumsfield and Tommy Franks refused to authorize it. Three months after that, Bush is on video tape saying that he wasn't concerned about OBL and didn't think about him. In 2005, Bush closed the OBL intell unit. No need to mention the invasion of Iraq that was totally based on lies. Credit to Bush? He, Cheney and the rest of the gang should be in jail. Before you call other people naive and ignorant, you should research the facts. You might discover that it is you who is naive and ignorant.
politcalwatcher isn't really interested in hearing anything.
Bush was full of CRAP AND SO is politcalwatcher
So true DScully, so true.
Politicalwatcher just wants to see how upset he can get us. Just ignore his bs.
Theresajune54
So true DScully, so true.
Politicalwatcher just wants to see how upset he can get us. Just ignore his bs.
#14.9 - Thu May 5, 2011 11:40 PM EDT
So I guess Thersa can only deal with people that agree with her. That must be so easy too find on an MSNBC chat room
Politicalwatcher, the 1st world trade center bombing occurred in February 2003, a month after Clinton took office. Everyone of the bombers was arrested and convicted. From wikpedia:
The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.
The USS Cole was attacked in October of 2000, about 1 month before the election. Here are the facts about the response from the USA:
On January 25, 2001 Tenet briefed the President on the Cole investigation. The written briefing repeated for top officials of the new administration what the CIA had told the Clinton White House in November. This included the "preliminary judgment" that al Qaeda was responsible, with the caveat that no evidence had yet been found that Bin Ladin himself ordered the attack... in March 2001, the CIA's briefing slides for Rice were still describing the CIA's "preliminary judgment" that a "strong circumstantial case" could be made against al Qaeda but noting that the CIA continued to lack "conclusive information on external command and control" of the attack.[31]
According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush's. She said he "made clear to us that he did not want to respond to al Qaeda one attack at a time. He told me he was 'tired of swatting flies.'"
So it was GWB responsibility for the Cole response not Clinton. A little research might help you understand how terrible the Bush administration was when it came to confronting terrorism.
rickg, i think you have a few date typos, GWB was elected in 2000 and sworn in in January of 2001.
CR...your point is the same as Rick's...there are no 'date typos'...think about it...
rickg-808074 Chraz Ritt
At 11:15 a.m. on Oct. 12, 2000, the Cole — a billion dollar destroyer armed with the most advanced weapons in the U.S. naval arsenal — was docked off the coast of Yemen for refueling when it was approached by a small skiff packed with explosives and manned by two suicide bombers. The resulting explosion was a chilling precursor to the attacks on Sept. 11. It ripped a 60-by-40-foot hole in the ship’s hull, trapping the bodies of many of the dead crew members in the wreckage.
In the days after the attack, President Clinton vowed retribution against the terrorists. “You will not find a safe harbor,” he proclaimed. “We will find you and justice will prevail.”
Story: 10 years later, still no trial for accused USS Cole attack mastermind
Ah number 1 the republican congress, you know the ones who made a big deal out of Clinton getting a bj while they were sleeping with their mistresses, denied Clinton funding from going after OBL with ground forces, though Clinton did manage to lob a couple of missiles at OBL. But at the time OBL was seen as no more then a money man. Nice rewrite of history by the way.
2. OBL is dead so he did get his just rewards for his actions. Sadly the guy you want to give credit to for OBL's death dropped the ball by refusing to listen to intelligence that said OBL was determined to attack the US using commercial airliners, good old decider Bush.
3.It must be nice being supported the Koch brothers to spread lies and post nonsense that has been debunked time after time for being nothing but BS. You have met the enemy and sadly you are to dumb to realize it is you.
4.How does it feel to have sold your soul for 30 pieces of silver while the people you support are trying to kill your grandmother? I bet she's really proud of her little sell out who choose rich fat cats over family and friends.
5. People like you are really fun to toy with, but really it is a very sad day for America that there are people like you who will follow others who will end up making sure you will never be one of the chosen ones who will make it to the top 10%. You are just cannon fodder for the Koch brothers who will throw you under a bus once you are no longer useful to them.
6. Snopes is your friend, I suggest you seek their guidance before you open your mouth and show just how big of a fool you are. I love the smell of conservatives sweating because no one is buying into the snake oil they are selling, so they are working very hard at spinning and not gaining traction.
I misspoke in my earlier reply to rickg. I should have said that GWB stole the election in 2000, and was sworn in in 2001, not elected. This still leaves the 2003 date outside the Clinton Presidency.
My mistake, first WTC bombing 1993 not 2003.
Your Cole quote makes no sense. The CIA didn't even have proof that Al Queda was behind the bombing until after Bush took office and like Rice said he chose not to respond. Clinton was not responsible, Bush was.
rickg-808074 can't even get his facts straight given all the information resources available to him. Another blind Progressive that only sees what he wants to see. So predictable. Perhaps if you think before you write, you might make some progress here. LOL! You can't even get your facts straight on the USS Cole and Clinton. So let me help you:
At 11:15 a.m. on Oct. 12, 2000, the Cole — a billion dollar destroyer armed with the most advanced weapons in the U.S. naval arsenal — was docked off the coast of Yemen for refueling when it was approached by a small skiff packed with explosives and manned by two suicide bombers. The resulting explosion was a chilling precursor to the attacks on Sept. 11. It ripped a 60-by-40-foot hole in the ship’s hull, trapping the bodies of many of the dead crew members in the wreckage.
In the days after the attack, President Clinton vowed retribution against the terrorists. “You will not find a safe harbor,” he proclaimed. “We will find you and justice will prevail.” .... 2 cruise missiles later that missed their target... and that concluded the Clinton response to Al Qaeda.... Sad and pathetic.
ProgressiveTP, there is no facts in your comment. The CIA did not detemine who was responsible for the Cole attack until Bush took office.
Please do a little research you might find this:
On January 25, 2001 Tenet briefed the President on the Cole investigation. The written briefing repeated for top officials of the new administration what the CIA had told the Clinton White House in November. This included the "preliminary judgment" that al Qaeda was responsible, with the caveat that no evidence had yet been found that Bin Ladin himself ordered the attack... in March 2001, the CIA's briefing slides for Rice were still describing the CIA's "preliminary judgment" that a "strong circumstantial case" could be made against al Qaeda but noting that the CIA continued to lack "conclusive information on external command and control" of the attack.[31]
According to Dr. Rice, the decision not to respond militarily to the Cole bombing was President Bush's. She said he "made clear to us that he did not want to respond to al Qaeda one attack at a time. He told me he was 'tired of swatting flies.'"
Clinton did not fire cruise missiles as a response to the Cole bombing.
Who was President on January 25, 2001?
I know it's hard, but please do a little research before you criticize another viner.
He told us he "wasn't too concerned about Osama. That says it all
I will never forget that. He said that on March 13, 2002, which was my granddaughter's 7th birthday. I tried to warn people, but no one listened and they ended up putting him back into office. It wasn't hindsight for me, it was real time and almost ruined a great day.
Bush used the Bin Laden attacks as political leverage to ram this country into two unnecessary wars that brough us to the brink of backruptcy. Remember, a true patriot will not waste our treasure and lives for personal political ends. Bush and Cheney were draft dodgers and have no credibility as patriots.
What an amazing amount of nerve for the Republicons to insist that Bush receive credit for killing Bin Laden. Let's remember it was on his watch when 911 happened. Let's give him credit for that!!
Saddam belongs to Bush and Osama belongs to Obama. That's all very clear. But Bush said on TV that he did not want to interfer with another President and wanted to stay out of the public eye. I certainly didn't agree with most of what Bush did but he also has not had his say on this and I think it's just that rag paper trying to make their own story. I don't believe Bush said that at all as they reported.
I don't condone stories made up about Obama but neither do I stories about Bush. We only need facts, not stories because we are not FOX.
My take on GWB (Shrub) not accepting the invite-- he wasn't going to get paid for showing up.
I agree, I was able to accept what Bush said about not wanting to interfere with another President and not wishing to be in the spotlight. I do think the families would have appreciated his appearance with President Obama. I would have had at least a little more respect for him as a person even if I did think he was a terrible president. I actually hope that what was written in that paper was not true as it would make him seem even smaller if it was. Hopefully the source of the story was checked out . If it was not the reporter that wrote it and the paper that ran it should be ashamed of themselves and deserve to be called on it.
The story is that Bush didn't come because he is upset that he isn't getting enough credit for getting Osama.
waaa poor spoiled brat AND EPIC FAILURE!
Bush knew he would get booed, that's why he didn't show up.
Bill Clinton was invited but already had another engagement to attend so he declined
I think some in here are being way TOO KIND to Bush and giving him the benefit of the doubt where he deserves NONE.
Bush is the man who ignored warnings about Bin Laden planning to attack and just laughed it off as if it were a joke.
Bush is the man who then allowed the attack on the US to happen on 9/11 because he ignored those warnings over and over and over.
Bush is the man who had the nerve to go to ground zero and promise to get the ones who brought down those buildings, then proceeded to make plans to start a war in Iraq, which was his real goal. The 9/11 attack was just a convenient excuse for Bush and his cohorts.
Bush is the man who proceeded to not really try to find Bin Laden because he still didn't take Bin Laden serously, even though he had killed 3000 Americans on US soil
Bush is the man who then sent thousands of American soldiers to their deaths in an unnecessary war in Iraq, while wasting billions of tax payer dollars for the same.
Bush is the man who ultimately left this country bankrupt and dangling by a thread.... while having destroyed the American reputation abroad due to his allowing the use of torture of prisoners.
Need I go on and have we heard enough? I am so damn angry at that @!$%# George Bush!
KingD, Toyota3 is right, Clinton was asked but had another engagement, maybe with Monica, who knows. Bush was just afraid he would get an ass kicking from President Obama.
DScully, don't let politicalwatcher get u upset
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Thanks, but I'm not upset by politicalwatcher.... I don't even read his bull@!$%# anymore.... he's no more than an annoyance. What does upset me is what Bush did to the country and the disaster he left behind in so many of our lives.
It's amazing that Bush could be such an incompetent, uncaring, piece of crap and make such a disaster of everything he touched. What a complete and absolute SLUG who should never have been appointed to the presidency by the supreme court. Those biased and partisan justices who put Bush in office, should be taken out and hung up by their balls. They did this to us.
And Obama is so totally the opposite... he has such a long list of accomplishments and many were things he said he would do or try to do during his campaign. A politician who actually keeps campaign promises.... imagine that! I vote we add his likeness to Mount Rushmore... if there is room.
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"I vote we add his likeness to Mount Rushmore... if there is room."
that is the scariest comment I have ever read and there have been many
Wtg
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Watch the news much??? I'm glad to see your 'friends' here corrected you.
KingD254
Bill Clinton WAS NOT ASKED Dass
Credit? Bush is the cause of this long overdue hunt that is finally settled. Thank you, Obama! How cool can a man get?
Obama deserves all the credit for getting Bin Laden and that @!$%# Bush deserves absolutely nothing except our contempt.
I was watching Obama's visit to the firehouse today and listening to him speak, and Obama referred to Guilanni's saying how appreciative he was of Guilianni's efforts at the time of the attack. Obama wasn't concerned about giving credit to others despite a differing political party or philosophy.
The thought occurred to me of how much of a gentle man President Obama is, and how gracious he was in praising Gulianni in that way. He wasn't there at Ground Zero to toot his own horn or get praise for what he had done.. he was just there to help bring some closure to the survivors of the victims.
Yet I knew that the naysayers like Beck and Dimbaugh and O'Reilly and Palin and many other less deserving were all accusing Obama of just that.... putting on a political show and tooting his own horn. Because that is what they would all do with that opportunity and accomplishment if they had made it, so they put what their own disgusting intentions would have been on Obama.
I also knew that tomorrow or the next day or a week from now, the man Obama praised today, Gulianni will go on the Fox network and trash Obama behind his back... because that is what RepugniCONS always do.
Just like a right wingnut to try to rewrite history while continuing to denigrate our President. You won't find many takers for your poisonous bile as we bask in knowing bin Laden has finally been dealt justice. Bush however, deserves no credit at all.
I recall when Bush took office and reading that his people had a little phrase "anything but Bill", Bush and company hated Clinton for beating Bush Sr. in 1992, especially Barbara Bush.
They put out all kinds of false stories such as how the Clintons supposed trashed the White House, etc., etc., they were so determined not to give Clinton any credence or credit for anything. So they chose to ignore the warning about bin Laden, and failed to follow up on the Cole incident, all because the intel was developed by the Clinton administration.
As a result, only eight months after Bush took office, 9/11 happened. Then of course, Bush let bin Laden get away in Tora Bora, and we wound up fighting Saddam in Iraq somehow. Ten long and expensive years later, we are still mired in the wars Bush started.
Finally, the Bush years ended, and we elected President Obama. He has endured a firestorm of criticism from your side, and has prevailed in spite of it. He promised to get bin Laden, and he did. Your side is just jealous because he succeeded, and now you're running scared. Too bad, guy, deal with it.
I suggest, we Democrates and Obama supports act as cool as he does. State only the truth. stand for what is right, be real Americans, don't cuss the Rep. or call them names like they do us. Try to reach them with reason. If they are not up to that, let them finish distroying this Great Country of America.
Unfortunately, its not in your Progressive Democrat DNA to respond to the facts with reason.. only name calling and emotional 'knee jerk reactions... You'll find I carefully word my responses based on facts that are often not disputed, but the response is often predictable... I didn't agree with a lot of what Bush did during his 8 years, but I supported most of his efforts. You guys on the otherhand can't find anything wrong with Obama, which speaks volumes about your integrity and character.. it's unfortunate.
All right, you want facts, let's deal with the facts:
1.) President Obama did not dictate that OBL be given a Mullim burial, it was the military and the NSA.
2.) The right is decrying that OBL was given a 40 minute muslim funeral while the World Trade victims got nada.
3.) The president gave proof of his birth for over two years including a photo of the original with an embossed seal and there are still 25% of Republicans who question his birth.
4.) If 25% of Rep. won't take a photo of his certificate of live birth why in the world would they accept a photograph of OBL dead?
5.) President Clinton was not originally investiated for Sexual misconduct, it was supposed to be about his financial dealings in Arkansas. Nothing could be found illegal so Starr kept digging and shame of shame, Clinton lied about a sexual encounter outside of his marriage. Long way from finances. Right, no, but appologize to his wife, daughter, and Lewinski + family and to U.S. for where it occurred.
Those are facts, good enough for you?
John, you obviously don't understand that the military gets their orders from a civil authority - the Commander in Chief, aka the President. So NO, your facts are not good enough for me, because they're incorrect (as usual). Another fact is that Obama never visited NYC and Ground Zero over the past two years until UBL was killed (Remember, "Never let a crisis go to waste" or "Never let a political opportunity go to waste"). You can thank the Muslim sensitive Obama for ordering the military to give UBL the burial rights he received. That's how the military works. I'm a retired veteran and should know.
Aparently you dont know a damn thing. We killed OBL, a mission (except for bush) that we were involved in for 10 yrs. What do you think would have happend if we had desecrated the body? The same thing that happend after the tortures at gitmo, a heavy INCREASE in al- qaida recruitment killing many of OUR heroes. As a retired veteran YOU should know that. Pitiful.
Tora Bora... the Bush Administration chose to do NOTHING. THAT is what he should get credit for.
dmcg1, provide a reference with facts that support this ASSumption because it's total BS that the Bush administration "chose to do nothing". You apparently have no idea what US and coalition forces were doing in that area in an attempt to capture UBL. Damn, don't you Progressive ever read or do research? I guess not, which explains why its so easy to manipulate your anger and frustrations by the left.
mike, regardless of your political persuasion, do you know how childish it sounds every time you say, "prove it"? Sending troops into Afghanistan to look for a man living in Pakistan is a waste of time and money something Republicans "spout off" they are against. $30 Billion a year is the price tag for Afghanistan...$30 Billion a year out the window. A Republican idea, a Republican waste of money, a Republican loss of life. Don't you ever read or do your research? I guess not, which explains why it is sooooooo easy to manipulate you, my dear man. If Republicans want to trim the budget let's start with the war in Afghanistan...$30 Billion a year...out the window to a country that hates us and wants us off of their soil. Republicans need to put up or shut up...beginning with you.
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The man point blank gave up on searching for him and said he didn't care about Bin Laden. He deserves little to NO credit.